By Joan La Roda • January 30, 2019 Image courtesy of Rational Acoustics Feedback Frequency Identification So as to provide an instant practical value to your measurement systems, even without the need for a measurement microphone, let’s go through how to use Smaart v8 in a live context to detect feedback frequencies. If we want to identify feedback frequencies, let’s connect the output of the mixing console that we want to monitor to a line level input on our sound card. In our case we’ll use input 2 of the card. The connection diagram can be seen in the figure below: Figure 27: Electrical connection diagram to identify feedback frequencies with Smaart v8. Next, click on “Spectrum” and then on the split screen icon at the bottom center. Figure 28: Screen configuration for feedback frequency identification with Smaart v8. Since what we are analyzing is the mixing console’s output signal we’ll activate input 2 (“Reference”) on the card by clicking on the arrowhead. Figure 29: Activating the signal input channel. The image below shows the screen where we’ll see the effect of an instance of feedback. On the upper right side of both windows “Reference” should be shown. Else, we’ll need to click on the arrow to select it. On the upper left side of the top window “RTA” should be shown, while the upper left side of the bottom window should show “Spectrograph.” Else, click on the corresponding arrowhead and select the inputs and the type of analysis as I indicated earlier. Figure 30: Screen for feedback frequency identification. RTA on top and Spectrograph below. In our example we’ve used 1/3rd-octave smoothing and no Temporal Averaging, as you can see on the upper right side. The top part of the graph area shows an RTA, with frequency on the horizontal axis and amplitude on the vertical one. The RTA could be enough if we were watching the screen all the time. Since this can’t always be the case we’ll use the Spectrogram to help us. The bottom part of the graph area shows the Spectrogram, with frequency on the horizontal axis and time on the vertical one. This way, even if we’re not constantly watching the screen, when feedback takes places we’ll be able to see the frequency that lasts over time, making it easier for us to identify the feedback frequency. In our example you can see the effect of feedback at 1200Hz. On the RTA (upper window) we can see that the 1/3rd-octave band that corresponds to the feedback frequency is protruding. The Spectrogram (lower window) shows a continuous straight line on the vertical axis in the 1250Hz band. Since feedback often lasts over a certain amount of time (which sometimes feels like an eternity), the straight line will indicate the frequency at which feedback is taking place. In our case, the straight line shows up in white on the spectrogram, but it could show in other colours depending on the feedback level and the dynamic range, which can be selected by the two arrowheads to the left of the spectrogram window. The Min and Max levels are initially set at -66dB and -30dB. If we do not see the feedback frequency on the spectrogram, we’ll need to adjust the aforementioned arrowheads as appropriate. Each situation may call for different values. If correctly configured, when feedback occurs we’ll be able to identify a straight line that lasts over time in the spectrogram; and in the RTA we should be able to see how one of the bars protrudes from the rest. I recommend using the “Cue” outputs on mixing consoles to connect to the sound card’s input. If it is more practical, there is also the possibility of monitoring the input of our measurement microphone instead of the mixing console outputs. In that case we would need to activate input 1, “Microphone.” Final Considerations These measurement systems offer many possibilities that I have not talked about. This is only the beginning. Smaart v8 has a detailed manual where you will be able to dig deeper and learn many more things. Considering all of what you need to do measurements (computer, sound card, microphone, measurement software), the company that develops the software is the smallest of them all, and probably the one where you would find the most people who share your interests and the people you would be most comfortable engaging in conversation in a bar. They deserve making a living from their work like everybody else, just like yourself. So, I would like to ask you to use legally acquired software so that they can continue to help us achieve better sound. Thanks to José Brusi, Xesc Canet, Pepe Ferrer, José Moldes and Germán Ramos for their suggestions, correction of errors and contributions to this article. And thanks also to James Woods from Woods Engineering and Jamie Anderson from Rational Acoustics. All screen captures and Smaart v8 Guide images in this article courtesy of Rational Acoustics (© Rational Acoustics LLC, 2016) Read the rest of this post 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 Comments Have something to say about this PSW content? Leave a comment! Cancel reply Scroll past the ”Post Comment” button below to view any existing comments. Your email address will not be published. Required fields are marked *Comment Name * Email * Website This site uses Akismet to reduce spam. Learn how your comment data is processed. Fedele says For now i have just read only introduction and... desagree. Sofwares are just tools based on numbers! Calculations on numbers, made across many kayers of approximation and errors. Reality, the Sound Phenomena, the Human way to ear, are more complex tan that. In a concert, there are many forms of energies that analyzer don’ t measure ( remember...also just calculations on numbers and a 1/4 capsule here or there) but that caracterize our complex sensation. Seth Morth says Fedele is missing the point, and should have read the rest of the article before commenting. This is a helpful guide in how to use Smaart8 to get the sound system to an (objectively) calibrated baseline. Occasionally this is referred to as "flat" but that is rather misleading; consider it "time aligned, checked for phase, and compensated for detrimental artifacts". From this milestone you can then trust your ears to make (subjectively) changes as desired to have it sound the way you would like it to. I would in fact like to hear more from Joan La Roda, as well as José Brusi, Xesc Canet, Pepe Ferrer, José Moldes, Germán Ramos, James Woods, and Jamie Anderson. They always have an open invitation to visit my workplace and command my attention when they publish an article. Fedele says And also..... There are other conditions for cancellation!! It is not only problem of relative time As it is writed. Fedele says Good evening. In addition to what I have already written, and which I will soon write,... I also have to underline how, quoting this part of the text: "When two acoustical waves reach the same point with a time difference, there will be a total cancellation ...etc" There are other conditions for cancellation!! It is not only problem of relative time. Fedele De Marco Tagged with: Analysis FFT Joan La Roda Measurement Rational Acoustics Smaart · all topics Subscribe to Live Sound International Subscribe to Live Sound International magazine. Stay up-to-date, get the latest pro audio news, products and resources each month with Live Sound.