By Mike Sokol • July 2, 2019 Image courtesy of Pete Linforth Here’s something I’ve seen in at least three churches over the last several months, so I know it happens. Let’s suppose there’s a standard 100-foot audio snake from the console position running to the stage. But instead of putting the amp rack on the stage, maybe the facility is using a powered mixer at front of house, or the amp rack is already sitting next to the mixer. A look over at the audio snake shows XLR inputs from the microphones, but there are also two or four TRS 1/4-inch jacks that look just like the 1/4-inch loudspeaker jacks on the back of the powered mixer or amplifiers. Provided by Live Sound Advice. Figure 1 shows a standard Hosa Technology snake with 24-gauge wires for both the XLR mic inputs as well as TRS 1/4-inch returns. Looks like you can plug the TRS fan-out end into the back of a power amp and passive stage monitors into those phone jacks on the stagebox, doesn’t it? Well, we know this “sort of” works, but there’s a certain amount of wattage loss from the 100 feet of 24-gauge cable instead of 100 feet of 12-gauge cable, which is industry recommended for this sort of loudspeaker run. Figure 1: Snake with 24-gauge cables for both XLR mic inputs and TRS 1/4-inch returns. Just how much loss will there be? Glad you asked… Doing The Math Let’s consider a standard situation where there’s a power amplifier rated with an output of 500 watts at 8 ohms and 1,000 watts at 4 ohms. Also, let’s drive a pair of 8-ohm passive monitors on each amplifier channel, which makes a load of 4 ohms. Assuming no loss in the cabling, that’s 1,000 watts coming from the amp, which splits up to 500 watts for each of the 8-ohm speakers. That’s exactly how it’s supposed to work. Now, instead of a heavier 12- or 10-gauge loudspeaker cable, let’s substitute with the 100 feet of 24-gauge TRS returns between the amplifier and the monitors. Figure 2 provides a wire gauge resistance chart, which shows us that 100 feet of 24-gauge copper wire has a resistance of just over 2.5 ohms. Figure 2: Cable/wire gauge resistance chart. And because we have to consider that there are two legs of this wire, it adds up to 200 feet and more than 5 ohms of resistance in series with the loudspeakers. Starting with the amplifier output, instead of driving a 4-ohm load and producing 1,000 watts, it’s now driving a 9-ohm load, which works out to less than 500 watts (the amplifier’s 8-ohm wattage output with a 9/8 impedance factor. There’s now only 430 watts coming out of the amp since it’s no longer driving a 4-ohm load. But it gets worse. We also have to factor in a voltage divider with 5 ohms of series resistance added to a 4-ohm load. That’s 4/9 times the 430 watts of power, so it’s now down to 190 watts of power being delivered to the 4-ohm loudspeaker load. Finally, divide that 190 watts by 2 since there are two 8-ohm loudspeakers connected in parallel (Figure 3). It’s now down to less than 100 watts being delivered to each loudspeaker instead of the 500 watts that was paid for and expected. Yikes. Figure 3: Graphic depiction of power loss to the loudspeakers.. This shows that using a 24-gauge snake return to drive a pair of 4-ohm passive loudspeakers results in throwing away 80 percent of the amplifier power. A 1,000-watt amp is only delivering 200 watts to the loudspeakers. Adding to the picture is the fact that 5 ohms of series resistance will mess with the crossover points in the loudspeakers, which can change their frequency response in a bad way, adding feedback nodes. The Way Forward So what to do? Well, either run a separate 12-gauge loudspeaker cable between the power amplifiers and loudspeakers on stage or utilize something called a “power snake” that has 1/4-inch inputs that use 14-gauge loudspeaker cable instead of 24-gauge microphone cable. For instance, Whirlwind makes a Power Series (Figure 4) of audio snakes for just this type of circumstance. While the 14-gauge cable will introduce a small amount of loss compared to 12-gauge cable, the improved flexibility of the snake makes it a reasonable compromise. If you’re running a lot of power over very long runs, I still suggest 12-gauge or even 10-gauge. Figure 4: Snake with 1/4-inch inputs that use 14-gauge cable suitable for power loudspeakers. A quick look at the chart and a little math shows us that 200 feet of 14-gauge will insert only 0.5 ohms in series with the loudspeakers, while 200 feet of 12-gauge adds up to only 0.3 ohms. So these are much better options with very low wattage loss. I must admit that my first guess would have been losing maybe 20 percent or so of the amplifier wattage using 24-gauge rather then 12-gauge loudspeaker cable, but numbers don’t lie. Using TRS returns on a 100-foot snake to drive a pair of 8-ohm passive loudspeakers/monitors will result in a loss of about 80 percent of the amplifier output wattage due to series insertion loss plus impedance mismatching. Thus it’s prudent to invest in heavier loudspeaker cables to get the most performance out of a sound system. As we can see from this example, just because something can be plugged into a connector doesn’t mean that it should be. And it’s why one of the most important things to know is all the types of connectors that might be encountered on a live sound stage, and what signal types are likely to be on them. Oh yes, and understanding the relationship between voltage, resistance, current and wattage is really helpful for figuring out this sort of thing. More about this in future articles. About Mike Mike Sokol System Designer & Audio Educator Mike Sokol does sound system design and training for JMS Productions, his consulting company in Western Maryland. Visit www.livesoundadvice.com for his educational articles and videos, and email him at [email protected] with comments and suggestions. http://www.livesoundadvice.com Comments Have something to say about this PSW content? Leave a comment! Cancel reply Scroll past the ”Post Comment” button below to view any existing comments. Your email address will not be published. Required fields are marked *Comment Name * Email * Website This site uses Akismet to reduce spam. Learn how your comment data is processed. Rory says The unfortunate thing is this info will probably never reach most of the barely-qualified goofballs who are doing this, because they don't read PSW. rick chinn says If the system's gain is high enough, it will oscillate. I saw it at a church where the speaker cables ran parallel to the snake, and there was a big, ugly, unshielded splice between two microphone snakes. The splice was most of it, but separating the cables made it stable again. A speaker/mic snake, as you mention works, but it could be trouble if you're really reaching for gain on an input. Don T. Williams says Mike I have observed, and I'm certain your have also, that running speaker level signals through multipair "snake" cable and mic level signals can cause feedback loops from the induced signals. Gary Gand says Not to mention a highly inductive load running along side an audio input line, possibly sharing the same ground, thru the shield.... Aron says I'm a huge proponent of moving away from 1/4" jacks on speaker cables anywhere I can. SpeakOn being more idiot proof. Especially where less experienced end users will be doing the connecting. Dennis Lester says Is this one of the reasons for the move to Speakon connectors? 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