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Picking and Choosing

I don’t think this is from the original LL Cool J. This other LL we have here needs to learn that you can’t put 100 prisoners in a correctional system bus made for 40. Watch as I reason gently with him …

Old Soundman,

WELCOME, LL!

Please help, I currently run sound for an eight-piece group that includes a three-piece horn section. My problem is not getting a good clear sound; either I get the rhythm section to sound good, and the vocals and horns sound like crap, or vice-versa. Whenever any one group sounds good, the others don’t.

I HAVE SERMONIZED ABOUT THIS BEFORE!

WERE YOU PLAYING HOOKY THAT DAY, OR WHAT?

WHAT YOU ARE FACING IS A NEED TO RUTHLESSLY PRIORITIZE.

WHAT IS THE MOST IMPORTANT THING IN THE BAND TO AMPLIFY?
OKAY, PUT THAT UP.

WHAT IS THE NEXT MOST IMPORTANT THING?

NOW PUT THAT UP.

CONTINUE IN THAT MODE UNTIL – AND THIS IS VERY IMPORTANT – THINGS START SOUNDING CLUTTERED AND UNCLEAR. THEN BACK UP, BACK TO THE POINT WHEN IT WAS STILL CLEAR, AND STOP RIGHT THERE, LL!

I DON’T CARE IF YOU ARE QUIVERING WITH FRUSTRATION! I DON’T CARE IF YOUR FISTS ARE CLENCHED AND YOU ARE HYPERVENTILATING! BITE THE BULLET, LL!

THIS IS REALITY. THIS IS WHERE YOU ARE RIGHT NOW IN YOUR LIFE AS A SOUNDMAN.

YOU HAVE “X” AMOUNT OF SPEAKERS, YOU HAVE “Y” AMOUNT OF AMPS AND X PLUS Y IS ONLY EVER GOING TO EQUAL X PLUS Y!

YEAH, I KNOW YOU WISH YOU HAD SOME BIG ARENA RIG, BUT LL, YOU DON’T! EVERY GUY DOWN AT THE LAKE IN HIS BASS BOAT WISHES HE HAD AN EIGHTY FOOT YACHT LIKE AN INTERNATIONAL ARMS DEALER, BUT HE DOESN’T! HE HAS HIS LITTLE PUTT-PUTT, AND LL, THAT’S OKAY!

I use a (MIXING BOARD DELETED) a (BRAND NAME DELETED) 31 band eq, (EFX BOXES DELETED) for effects, (POPULAR LOW-PRICED AMP MANUFACTURER DELETED) for mids and highs (set at 50%) (MID-PRICED AMP MANUFACTURER DELETED (100%) for lows, (BUDGET NAME) xover (lows set at 200hz) mid/hi set to (2000hz.) Speakers are (MANUFACTURER NAME AND MODEL NUMBER DELETED.)

WHEN IN THE WORLD ARE YOU SOUND CHILDREN GOING TO LISTEN TO THE OLD MAN HERE? NO BRAND NAMES! NO BRAND NAMES!

I CANNOT COMMENT ON BRANDS! I AM YOUR ONLY RECOURSE IN A WORLD FULL OF HYPE AND CO-OPTED CRETINS WHO ARE CONSTANTLY GETTING KICKBACKS FROM SOUND COMPANIES AND MANUFACTURERS!

EVERYBODY WANTS TO SELL YOU SOMETHING, EXCEPT ME!

NOW LOOK AT LL’S NEXT SENTENCE, THAT IS SOMETHING I CAN RESPOND TO!

Lows don’t come thru very well, and I tend to get loud, but because the sound is not all that great, the louder it gets the worse it sounds.

TRIM IT BACK THE WAY I DESCRIBED. A WELL-PROPORTIONED MIX SOUNDS GOOD LOUD OR SOFT.

UNFORTUNATELY, I DO NOT THINK YOU HAVE AN ADJUSTABLE HI-PASS FILTER ON YOUR CONSOLE. ALL YOU CAN DO IS REDUCE THE LF RESPONSE ON CHANNELS THAT DO NOT NEED A LOT OF LOW END.

BASS MANAGEMENT, LL! BASS MANAGEMENT!

One of the things I have thought of doing is to not EQ the mains in series with the main out, but to patch it in thru a main insert. Will this help?

NO.

(NOW SOME HAM RADIO ENTHUSIAST FROM THE LIVE AUDIO BOARD WHO DISAGREES WITH ME IS GOING TO FLY HIS RADIO-CONTROLLED HELICOPTER OVER MY HOUSE, WITH THE MIDGET PILOT HOLLERING AT ME THROUGH A TINY MEGAPHONE!

DAMN YOU DILETTANTES!

DO YOU THINK I GO TO VEGAS AND PRACTICE SHOOTING MACHINE GUNS JUST FOR FUN?

YOU LAB GUYS BETTER WATCH YOUR STEP!)

I have the effects returns patched back thru a channel. Should I change this?

NO. HAVING THEM IN A CHANNEL IS ACTUALLY THE SUPERIOR AND PREFERABLE METHOD.

YOU SHOULD LISTEN TO THE EFFECTS RETURNS CHANNELS – RUN A CD AND TURN THEM UP LOUDER THAN YOU NORMALLY WOULD - AND EQ THEM TO TAKE OUT ANY METALLIC SOUNDING ARTIFACTS, OR MUDDLED LOW END.

Do/should I be using a sonic maximizer, compressor/limiter?

YER KILLIN’ ME!

SURE! BUY TEN OF ‘EM!

Do I need more power?

OF COURSE YOU DO! EVERYBODY NEEDS MORE POWER! BUT YOU CAN’T AFFORD IT, CAN YOU, OR ELSE YOU WOULD HAVE IT ALREADY!

Should I run my lows in bridged mode to utilize more power?

TALK TO THE ROCKET SCIENTIST YOU BOUGHT THE AMP FROM.

By the way we usually do small clubs. Seat approx. 75-150 people.

QUIT TRYING TO BE LIKE THE STUDIO GUYS.

ADMIT THE LIMITATIONS OF THE SYSTEM.

Please help, I’m in desperate need of help.
Thanx –

LL


LL, I HAVE HONESTLY DONE EVERYTHING I CAN THINK OF TO HELP YOU.

EXCEPT FOR THAT CRACK ABOUT SONIC MAXIMIZERS, I GUESS.

I DO NOT KNOW HOW LARGE A TOWNSHIP YOU LIVE IN, BUT IF THERE IS ANY WAY YOU CAN WORK FOR A SOUND COMPANY, OR A BIGGER VENUE, AND LEARN SOME MORE METHODOLOGIES, THAT WOULD BE AN IDEAL WAY FOR YOU TO GO.

BUT MY ADVICE STILL STANDS. DO NOT TRY TO CARRY A GORILLA ON A SKATEBOARD. DO NOT THROW SPEARS AT A DART BOARD. DON’T PLAY SOCCER WITH A WEATHER BALLOON!

LUV

- THE OLD SOUNDMAN

HEY, WE GOT A FOLLOW-UP TRIVIA QUESTION FROM OUR PAL JIM:

Hi Old Soundman -

I just read your conversation with Todd and Coydog. So what happened next? Did Todd give up his law career and his suit and tie and end up barefoot on the streets of Tijuana, or with a begging bowl in San Francisco?

And did he give his pinstripe suit and the George F. Will suspenders and the red tie - and the obligatory polished wingtips (you didn't mention those) - to Coydog? Or did Todd get your point and stick with his upper class identity?

- Jim


GOOD QUESTION, JIM! AND THE WINGTIPS ARE A NICE TOUCH, YOU ARE A VERY OBSERVANT YOUNG MAN.

FOR THOSE THAT DON’T RECALL, I KEELHAULED TODD PRETTY GOOD A WHILE AGO.

REALLY I AM MORE CURIOUS ABOUT HIS ARCH-NEMESIS, THE NOBLE COYDOG. THAT GUY ROCKED!

WE DARE YOU TO ASK HIM A QUESTION!

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