I was wondering how you guys deal with singers that want there monitors so loud that you can't get any gain out of the microphone. I have problems with this recently.

Thanx

Kurt


Reply posted by Mike McNany on July 25, 2001

Just wanted to add a few LESSER items that affect the singer's perceived volume, since everyone else discussed the primary ones.

Monitor competition by:

Placement of guitar amps. Are they still on the floor directed at the players' legs but directed more towards the vocalist's ears out front?

Placement of the singer to the drums. Is the drummer close behind the vocalist bashing away, especially lots of big crash cymbals used frequently? You're screwed there! Trade out the monitor speakers and amps for the FOH units!

Mike McNany


Reply posted by Timothy J. Trace on July 24, 2001

Engineer's skill aside, vocal monitor levels are dependent on:

Size of venue or stage
* Quality of equipment
* Vocalist's microphone technique

Probably the most important of these is mic technique. If it ain't right, ain't nothin' gonna be right. Most pop/rock vocalists should practice "lips on the grill". And don't cup the ball, dammit! {grin}

A small stage, an FOH-controlled mix without strip EQ (aux "pre" send), a crappy or nonexistent monitor EQ, a piezo-equipped wedge, a Beta 58 and vocalist who holds the mic at chin level are a recipe for disaster.

Best regards,
Tim ==


Reply posted by Scott Dunn on July 24, 2001

Kurt:

I generally try not to pull anything out of the eq that is not overwhelming. I let some frequencies fly that may not be all that pretty, but there is some credence to giving them a "mid-range" bark that will cut them like a knife, same goes for the high end.

Of course it all starts with a good microphone with superior gain before feedback.Sometimes a SM58 won't cut it for certain singers, switch to something with more appropriate frequency response for that particular singer.

The other thing is you need monitors that are properly powered. Do you have the available wattage to satisfy the drivers?
I have had trouble with a few certain singers that sang so soft nothing could make them happy, and inevitably you end up with egg on your face. This is why sound checks are so important to your reputation and the quality of sound onstage.

Hope this helps...

Scott


Reply posted by Neal Newman on July 24, 2001


Hi Kurt..

Janko is correct... you can only Go so far.. If you Pull More than 3db from a Freq On the Eq something is wrong... I try to pull what I need from the channel strip(providing You are using a seperate monitor desk from FOH) then I goto the mix Eq to pull out more.. Most of the time the mix EQ stays fairly flat pulling just a little here and there around 600,800,4k 5k 6.3k and thats it..

If its still not enough... then I tell the band SVTFL. (STAGE VOLUME TOO FUCKIN LOUD)

As Janko said SOMETIMES they listen and Turn Down...
the lower the stage volume the better they sound Or they just dont go into the mix.. In-ears are a good choice to but they really have to learn to use them Correctly... Recently did a show where all the vocal Mics were Shure Beta87C`s their pattern kept Feedback to Null... I also didnt have to ride the gains as high as I do with 58`s for the same amount of monitors...

Food for thought... If its Like a local club here where its foldback monitors. and the FOH channel strip EQ also changes in the monitor... then make it sound Good for FOH.. and let the band learn to keep the stage volume down they have to Live with it... and find a happy medium between the FOH and stage..

Neal