Reply posted by Joel Ashcraft on February 23, 2002
Matt,
I always ask for loaders in advance, it’s in the contract.
If I think when reviewing the contract that it might not happen,
I refer to the clause in the contract that states that they pay
$250 for load-in/load-out labor.
If I have to hire out for labor, its usually $75-125 per man,
and I will get "experienced" labor, and maybe pay them
depending on difficulty of move. If there are stairs at the event,
the labor deposit goes to $1000, just so they know, and usually
they dont want to lose that, so they supply labor, and it hasnt
been a problem. They get their cash back at the end of the show.
Be firm, but professional, and tell them you supply TECHNICIANS,
they supply MUSCLE. Its very simple.
Good luck, I hope this helps you.
Joel
Reply posted by Bob Cap on February 22, 2002
Matt
I usually pay according to the size of the show and the number
of hours I anticipate the show to go.
I ALWAYS bring my own loaders. Period. I charge accordingly. I
will not be stood up by loaders or funky promoters.
My guys know whats going on, how to treat the gear, and what stage
right and left are all about (no on-site training).
Later,
Bob Cap
Reply posted by tknight on February 22, 2002
I pay by the in/show/out
If you do the in and don't show for the out, you get nothing.
If I have 4 guys coming to do the in and only 3 show, I split the
4th pay between us. If you don't show and your on my list of extras,
your now off the list unless you have broken bones or death certificate!
I charge promoters I don't trust to supply labor in advance, they
get a refund aftrer the show, or we keep it and split it up.
I never take advantage of my crews, they get paid very well, and
know it! If they whine and complain, well, off the list they go!
Once I had a job in Montreal, Canada, large banquet center, no elevator,
circular staircase, 4 loaders for the in, damn promoter paid them
after the in, and told them to come back load out and get paid for
the out..........guess what!
Well, we told the promoter to find us help, or we'd do it in the
morning with help I hire and we'll get to the next event whenever,
well, we got there 5 hours late the next day, show was 3 hours late
starting, promoter left the business! GOOD MOVE Moral of the story,
hire your own if you can, bill the promoter!
Tk
Reply posted by Chris Fenwick on February 22, 2002
I have a loader story for you.
I was doing a gig on Alcatraz, yea, the old federal prison in
San Francisco Bay. There were two options for getting the gear there.
ONE. put a truck on a barge and the whole thing would magically
appear on the island, very attractive option but with no guarantee
when I could get the truck back.
Since I had to have the gear for another gig the next day EARLY,
I had to go for option TWO.
TWO. Schlep the gear over by public ferry. Not too attractive
but the promoter promised that they were would be 4 "strapping
young lads" there to help my crew of 2+me.
I can hear you laughing from here.
Yes. NO ONE SHOWED UP. Besides the security issues of unloading
at the curb and then moving one load at a time to the dock and figuring
someone should stay with each pile of gear that basically ment one
guy could move all the gear.
I came up with a policy after that incident.
Pick an amount $50 or $100 PER LOADER that is suppose to show
up and demand that it be paid in advance then. for each guy that
actually shows up you refund directly to the promoter on site. So
in my case I would have handed $400 bucks to the promoter at the
end of the night if indeed 4 guys actually worked, if they didn't
then I would take my crew out to a KICK ASS dinner afterwords.
Those be my thoughts....
fen
Reply posted by Another Dave on February 22, 2002
Dinner is nice...but could I just have the money? ;-)
Dave "will roll boxes for food" Dermont.
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