Anybody doing that? What machines do you use?

I know that the top of the line Yamaha can do it. Anything more affordable?

Thanks.

C.K.


Reply posted by gil colter on August 27, 2001

I have two good ways:
1. My small Sony DAT D-7
2. HHB burner with TC Finalizer on input


Reply posted by Curtis H. List (Too Tall) on August 22, 2001

From having troubles with CD-burners, I ended up subscribing to a discussion group for ripping and burning.

The BIG GUN for CD burners according to these boys is the Plextor. The thing reads and writes at warp speed and has a long life (number of CDs burned before you pitch it).
www.plextor.com/english/index.html

What I don’t have data on is if it roads well. Not knowing that leaves a large risk.

Too Tall


Reply posted by Curtis Flatt on August 22, 2001

Chris,

The Yamaha you saw in our rack does work well, but if you need more than one CD per show you will find that the read time between removing the CD and adding the new one will most likely cost you the bulk of a song. We also have done the direct to disk using external USB or Firewire and have had great luck. You can purchase an external Firewire or USB case for around $100.00 U.S. and drives are cheap.


Reply posted by Sam Berkow on August 22, 2001

Chris,

I started out wanting to do this, but found that recording direct to disk is better for me. What I typically do is setup a four input mix and record directly to my laptop at 48k 24bit. I have been playing with an intersting A/D that has both 24bit and 16 bit outputs (with user selectable bit reduction algortythms). This allows me to dump digitally to DAT (48k 16 bit and hard drive 48k 24 bit) simultaniously (the A/D is the AD2K from sonicsense/benchmark).

If I need to dump the recording to CD immedately after the show, I can either record directly at 44.1kHz or sample rate convert on the
laptop.

Obviusly, having the show on disk allows for fast editing, noramlizing and labeling of track ID’s.

Interesting, in more than 30 hours of show recording recently, I have NOT had ANY drop-outs or problems with my hard-disk system. (I am running a 600 Mhz HP laptop with either a USBPre or Roland UA-30 audio interface and Wavelab software). I am adding a firewire PCMCIA card and portable 75 Meg firewire hard-drive to allow for storage of many shows.

I thnk a big question is WHAT signal you want to record. I use a technique learned/stolen from Don Pearson of UltraSound. I setup a couple of cardiod mics at the mix position, I then take a matrix L/R output and delay it to match the mics. (I set the delay using a well-known piece of measurement/optimization software).

I then mix the four signals into a stereo signal (with the mics typically 6 to 12 dB down relative the matrix outputs). This gives my recording a more realistic sound, that includes the system EQ, which is matched to the room.

Anyway, I thought this might add a slighly different twist to your questions.

HAVE FUN!

Sam Berkow


Reply posted by Andy Peters on August 22, 2001

Sam-He-Is:

Make sure the firewire hard drive has a reasonable drive mechanism in it. A lot of them have the cheapest drives - 5400 rpm spindle speed and slow seek time. I also don't know what sort of (E)IDE/ATAPI/whatever it's called hard drive interface they usually support. You might want to pick out a specific enclosure (with a known drive interface) and specific hard drive (Seagate Barracuda or an IBM mechanism).

Just a thought.

Maybe some day the drive manufacturers will sell hard drives with the firewire interface built in...

--andy


Reply posted by Chris Hindle on August 22, 2001

Hi Chris.

I use a Sony portable MiniDisc recorder, laying on a piece of foam taped to the meter bridge. It works reasonably well, and I only get skips when I am stupid close to the stacks. (closer than 50 feet) I get the disk home, and do a light "edit" and pump it into the computer. From there I burn the CD.

- As an aside, when set to mono, you get almost 2 1/2 hours on a single disk. I built a "pause" button for it that gets taped above the group faders. When someone asks what the big red button is that I press when the drummer counts in, I say it is the SUCK button. If I forget to press it, the song will suck!

Almost as good as having a dead EQ that the inquiring nutcase can use to "fix that problem with my PA"

Chris


Reply posted by Gene Snider on August 21, 2001

I have looked at some and decided to get the Tascam CDRW-2000. It has balanced inputs and outputs.

Gene